?

Log in

// Ponderous. / - casual synchronicity
Linkage: Manage Links | LJSeek | Joule | IMEEM | Piperka Webcomics | Space Needle Webcam | Chore Wars | FriendFeed Syndcates: | Del.icio.us | Last.FM December 2010
 
 
 
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
 
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 08:47 am
// Ponderous. /

After a night's sleep, I think maybe I dislike SUP more than whiny fandoms.

angyl.dreamwidth.org

Anybody else considering jumping ship?

26CommentReplyShare

adameros
adameros
A Quark of A Different Spin.
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 03:58 pm (UTC)

I must have missed something. What did our Russian Overlords do now?


ReplyThread
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 04:02 pm (UTC)

What, they haven't done enough already?


ReplyThread Parent
agentsteel53
agentsteel53
Danger Moose
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 05:10 pm (UTC)

seconded. what did they do?


ReplyThread Parent
zorbathut
zorbathut
Zorba the Hutt
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 10:42 pm (UTC)

I think the problem isn't really "what did they do now", and is more "what will they do next".


ReplyThread Parent
adameros
adameros
A Quark of A Different Spin.
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 11:00 pm (UTC)

I chipped in for a permanent account, so I think I'll stick around till they drive me away.

Who knowns, maybe with better LJ User representation on the LJ Advisory Board things would be better.

*shrug*


ReplyThread Parent
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 11:17 pm (UTC)

I think the problem is a lot bigger than who the token US rep is.


ReplyThread Parent
valdelane
Val Delane
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)

I reserved my username but doubt I'll jump ship, because it's unlikely that many of my LJ flist will migrate. However, if people I know tell me they are posting there I will read them.


ReplyThread
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 11:35 pm (UTC)

I'm seekritly hoping enough people jump that the people that stay will still get groovy with reading over there so I could move over without leaving behind too many people. I really don't like how negative I've felt about LJ for the last year-plus, and I don't entirely want to give up the ability to post/read protected things.


ReplyThread Parent
amnesiack
amnesiack
amnesiack
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 04:47 pm (UTC)

Doubtful. I don't like to jump from one internet presence to another without very compelling reasons.


ReplyThread
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 11:36 pm (UTC)

You guys in the gaming circle are kinda politics-neutral anyway, it seems to be more about just where your other peeps happen to be.


ReplyThread Parent
amnesiack
amnesiack
amnesiack
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)

I wasn't aware that one's choice of blogging/social networking sites was a political one. Explain?


ReplyThread Parent
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Sat, May. 2nd, 2009 01:34 am (UTC)

Where you buy your food is in part a political choice, because your money and support goes back up the chain and is a tiny drop in what makes or breaks a business. Where you blog is in part a political choice because your content and the couple of eyeballs it draws are part of the aggregate that the owning company uses to acquire revenue. Furthermore, these choices have a small ripple impact with one's social group - if 5/6 friends are using a service, the weight will tend to draw in the 6th. We all understand voting with ballots, but we also vote, in a sense, with our time, money, effort, and associations, even if we're not actually mindful of it.

I am under no illusion that I am anything other than just one amongst more than a million individuals, or that I myself personally have any major impact, however, when I disagree strongly with politics further up a chain, I do tend to try to find some other chain to get what I need from if it's possible. This isn't intended as a lecture, so I'm not actually bringing in metaphors relating to McDonald's or commercially farmed meat, but you can probably imagine what it would come out like if I did. ;)


ReplyThread Parent
amnesiack
amnesiack
amnesiack
Sat, May. 2nd, 2009 04:40 pm (UTC)

I agree 100%. That's why I'm a vegetarian, among many other things. I guess what I should have asked was this: why is LiveJournal something that I should be concerned about supporting politically?


ReplyThread Parent
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Sat, May. 2nd, 2009 05:40 pm (UTC)

Strikethrough, nipplegate, general bending over for commerical interests or interests that CLAIM to be commercial or powerful to the detriment of user experience, rolling out new changes including adding ads to previously non-ad accounts with no prior notice and no request for feedback, utter lack of transparency, and even holding an "election" for a "user representative" with no specs whatsoever for what the role entails and apparently no intention to have the role be anything other than smething intended to distract the user community from their latest fuck-up. Failure to ever come down of the side of free speech, even with Lessig on the advisory board (not that they ever listen to the advisory board), turning a blind eye to spammers and heavily encouraging commercial interests. Ordering its volunteer staff to do arbitrary things with no explanation, and forbidding them from offering any explanation to users.

Contrast this with DW: ALREADY transparent, committed to open source and interop, deeply involved with its user community, committed to a no ads stance, even set up the company to make sure they could be politically involved in matters like free speech. Some have said it's like LJ in the old days, except LJ in the old days kinda happened by accident and Brad was clearly never committed to the long haul - or even thinking about it - in the way the DW people are.

On the downside, as I mentioned, most of DW's userbase so far seems to be from the vocal whiny fandom crowd of LJ, which I guess is better than the trolls, but in a certain sense I'm kinda holding out to see if some more, well, sane people migrate over before I get too comfortable with it. Them being the first ones to go DOES make sense, tho, since they were definitely the most abused by 6A/SUP over the past years, and I wouldn't be surprised if SUP's official stance on their mass migration was "good riddance".


ReplyThread Parent
nasu_dengaku
nasu_dengaku
Matt
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 08:05 pm (UTC)

I assume the whiny fandoms come from the stereotypically geeky friends of the DreamWidth programmers. You can of course help by spreading interest in the service to, um, normal people like you and me. Can you send me an invite?

I do greatly support the creation of an open social blogging community, as LJ has been stagnating feature-wise.

Dreamwidth should write a tool to slurp your entire journal out and put it in Dreamwidth.


ReplyThread
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 11:20 pm (UTC)

As soon as I get an invite code, it's yours, I'll give you first caim. You can use your openID from LJ or etc to read but not post. Also, DW users can grant access to your openID, so even without an acct there LJ people can see protected DW posts. I think there's a journal migration tool, cuz I've seen it referenced on twitter. I will totallly post more details as I dig then up. Since I'm not a whiny fandom member, I don't have all the insider info yet.


ReplyThread Parent
nasu_dengaku
nasu_dengaku
Matt
Sat, May. 2nd, 2009 07:02 am (UTC)

Perhaps it's worth buying a 6-month account as a donation. I certainly would donate to an open-source LJ equivalent that has a chance of growing and adding new features.

If they ever want the community to move, they'll have to make it extremely easy to "mirror" your lj and dreamwidth accounts back and forth. Then there's basically no penalty for switching as you would be effortlessly maintaining a presence in both places.


ReplyThread Parent
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Mon, May. 4th, 2009 12:50 am (UTC)

I have an invite code for you if you still need one. Email me @lj with what email address to send it to.


ReplyThread Parent
mooseloon
mooseloon
Brainmunching Wanderer
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 09:25 pm (UTC)

Do you have any invite codes?
I have been contemplating and am really curious.

What do you think of the lj/dreamwidth compatibility features?


ReplyThread
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 11:28 pm (UTC)

I see you're there already :) I LOVE the cross-interaction, especially that I can make filter groups of OpenIDs from LJ so people from here totally don't need to "move" there to see my protected entries, they can just OID in, and can comment and everything just like that. Also there's crossposting stuff if you're not ready to make the full transition.


ReplyThread Parent
ashley_y
ashley_y
Ashley
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)

I'm a little less willing to abandon my permanent account than you are. I'm not too bothered by SUP, besides the Russian friend-spam.


ReplyThread
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 11:24 pm (UTC)

I've been barely using LJ anyway as it is for especially the past year because I don't want to contribute even my words to SUP. I also feel like I've definitely gotten my money's worth out of my perm.acct, but I got it WAY back in one of the first rounds of selling them ever. I know it's prolly a little weird to be political about social networks, but then I deleted my Myspace when Murdoch took over, so it's par for my course. Leaving out the whiny fandom element, I really do like a lot of DW's stated values and goals, and I'm willing to give them a chance. SUP has burned up pretty much all the good will I could muster for them. :(


ReplyThread Parent
zorbathut
zorbathut
Zorba the Hutt
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 10:43 pm (UTC)

I'm thinking about it. The real problem is that I feel like I need a good unified location for my presence, and I'm not a huge fan of all the current options - I want a location that I own, not one that's likely to implode overnight.

Unfortunately, I also want one with good network effects. It turns out the two are, at the moment, pretty mutually exclusive.


ReplyThread
aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, May. 1st, 2009 11:27 pm (UTC)

Yeah, I totally hear you there. I'm still going to have a "proper blog" and personal journal on my own domain, but as anthologie pointed out to me, there's also a place and a use for a social network blog with protection levels for sharing certain things, and I DO honestly miss that aspect since I've been on LJ-break. Also you can cross-post and cross-share from DW to LJ, see comments above.


ReplyThread Parent
smallerdemon
smallerdemon
smallerdemon
Sun, May. 3rd, 2009 03:52 am (UTC)

I used to care about when I thought I had something to say. Now I don't. *shrugs* I have nothing to say to the rest of the world in this format anymore that a kajillion other chain smoking blue monkeys have not alread said, are not already saying now, or will be saying in the future. I keep all of it to myself in a Tiddlywiki instead. Even THAT has sparse entries. I mouth off over at Facebook, but I don't even try to pretend I have something of substance to say to people over the internet anymore.


ReplyThread Parent
smallerdemon
smallerdemon
smallerdemon
Sun, May. 3rd, 2009 03:46 am (UTC)

As you know, I use this for a single purpose now anyway, so I had sort of given up on LJing a long time ago.

Will your DW have an RSS feed, because I'll read it then. Otherwise, not so much no picking up yet another thing.


ReplyThread