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aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Thu, Aug. 28th, 2008 05:32 pm
// One state two state red state blue state. /

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stemware
Rob
Fri, Aug. 29th, 2008 01:57 am (UTC)

I tend to believe that back before you were born politicians were aligned more based on fiscal issues, theories of how to regulate, and foreign policy than they are now. It seems that the political parties now stand more for their prime moral values than actual politics. Aside from civil rights issues which changed generation to generation, these three key issues (fiscal, regulation, and foreign policy) have pretty much been static for the past 100 years whereas moral issues, again aside from civil rights issues, have only come to the forefront since Roe versus Wade.


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aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, Aug. 29th, 2008 03:07 am (UTC)

I remember hearing that conservatives were once Democrats and are now Republicans - do you happen to know when that shift happened?


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stemware
Rob
Fri, Aug. 29th, 2008 04:16 am (UTC)

Depends on how you define conservative. Morally conservative, or traditional conservative - i.e. fiscally conservative?


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aaangyl
aaangyl
YES WE CAN HAS!
Fri, Aug. 29th, 2008 07:04 am (UTC)

I am not sure how to answer this, nor am I sure of how it plays with the current parties. Neither party is what I understand as "fiscally conservative", which IIRC related to paying off national debt and reducing the size of government. When we the last time there was a major party that was fiscally conservative? Reagan pushed that agenda but he actually ran up the debt, increased payroll taxes and taxes on the poor, and raised gov't wages and size quite a bit. That seems to be the grounds of small 3rd parties now.

Similarly, I don't think either party is or has been in my lifetime morally liberal, unless you want to take it down to the level of abortion and separation of church and state.

Yet I still hear the terms thrown around. What do they mean now?

Wikipedia tells me in the mid-1800s the Republicans emerged as an actually fiscally conservative group. By the 1900s and 1920s things seemed to be getting kinda blurry tho. I'm still not sure what the conservative party flip is referring to, but I'm sure I've heard it more than once.


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